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Thanks for the ATA.
,First, Iu2019m not from India or China, and my last H-1B expired in 2004.
When my H-1B expired, I switched to EAD, got my green card in 2005 followed by US citizenship in 2011.
My last three employers, starting in 2008, have all been startups (not tech giants) that havenu2019t hired large numbers of H-1B workers.
,Iu2019m therefore more familiar with the situation of Indian and Chinese citizens who were going through the green card process at the same time that I was.
During that era, getting a green card was painful for everyone, but it often wasnu2019t especially more so for Indians and Chinese citizens.
Often all employment based preference categories were current for all countries (including India and China) during that era, although it was around the time I got my green card that the dates started retrogressing for citizens of India and China and the current trend got its start.
,So Iu2019m not as familiar with the thinking of current H-1B holders as I was back in the day.
However I live in the Seattle area, and there are definitely still a lot of people from India and China working for tech giants like Microsoft, Amazon and Google in the area.
Iu2019m guessing that those with stable, good jobs at those big companies will continue to stay as long as they can keep getting their H-1Bu2019s renewed.
A good job is still a good job, even if the green card may never come through.
My impression is that renewals are still coming through when sponsored by the big tech companies.
,However if someone finds themselves with an uncertain employment and/or H-1B renewal situation, a situation that is now affecting an increasing number of H-1B holders, then moving to Canada could be a really attractive option.
See for example the following web page where they are encouraging H-1B workers encountering difficulties in the US to consider Canada:,Moving from the USA to Canada | H1-B workers | Moving2CanadaBut I have no idea how many people are actually making the move.
,I would add that although Iu2019m originally from Canada, Iu2019ve always found it very difficult to get traction in the Canadian job market after I moved to the US.
Iu2019ve looked for work on multiple occasions over the years when Iu2019ve found myself on the job market, but it has always been difficult to get a toehold in the Canadian market.
Getting a job in Canada was easy for me when I lived in Canada, but my experience has been that once I moved out of Canada, even to the neighboring USA, I became an u201coutsideru201d by Canadian standards and opportunities that would have come easily to me in the past were no longer open to me.
,There was also a blog post by someone at Artemis Canada in 2019, apparently since deleted, discussing the challenges of recruiting Canadians with tech experience in the US back to Canada.
Artemis is an executive search firm, based in Waterloo, Ontario, that is or was partly focused on trying to recruit Canadians currently in the US back to Canada.
They said there was a real interest in this service, but they acknowledged having had only limited success in closing deals that would repatriate Canadians.
The challenge seemed to be that the Canadian employer would have interesting conversations with the Canadian expat, but in the end would go with a local candidate (ie someone with recent Canadian experience).
,Compensation may be part of the issue here.
The Canadian tech employers typically pay less, sometimes a lot less, than their US counterparts.
There may be a perception that even if someone is willing to accept lower Canadian compensation for a period of time, the lure of a higher salary will eventually bring them back to the US.
The Canadian tech employers donu2019t want to hire someone, have them move back to Canada briefly, and then jump ship again for the US a year later or whatever.
,I worked with Artemis at one point.
They did get me one interview with a Canadian employer, so they are sincere in their efforts to repatriate Canadian tech workers.
However it took quite a long time to get to even an initial conversation with the Canadian employer.
And when that conversation did start, I got rejected very early in the process.
,So based on my own experience, Iu2019d recommend that Indian and Chinese citizens on H-1B in the US u201clook before you leapu201d regarding a move to Canada.
My experience has been that the Canadian job market is not very friendly to those without recent Canadian experience.
Yes, the US visa and green card situation definitely sucks in recent years.
But the US job market can be more welcoming of newcomers.
In Canada it is the reverse.
The immigration system is much friendlier, but then the job market isnu2019t so welcoming.
It is worth noting that the link I posted earlier from u201cMoving to Canadau201d talks a lot about how friendly the Canadian immigration system is to newcomers, but is more silent about whether the Canadian job market is welcoming to newcomers.